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sides stand right now. boehner's new plan would raise $2.2 trillion. now it would extend the bush tax cuts for everyone and yes that does include the top 2%. and it would instead raise $800 billion in revenue from so-called tax reform and that's what we mean when we talk about capping deductions and closing loopholes. the rest of the money comes from cuts to both mandatory and discretionary programs. now to recap again on the president's offer, he wants to raise $1.6 trillion, that's double boehner's amount on the rich an and he's asking for more than $200 billion in stimulus spending and promising about $400 billion worth of cuts to social programs. now obviously those two plans have very little in common. neither side is budging when it comes to their demands on taxes. but now here are a few problems with boehner's proposal. for one, he has yet to get specific on which deductions and loopholes he actually plans to get rid of. for another, he's trying to borrow from the simpson bowles agenda of raising revenue
that bashar al assad's regime has begun mixing sarin gas. >>> the speaker of the house, john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? >>> and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice comes under fire again. this time, it's over rwanda. let's go "outfront. >>> good evening, welcome, everyone. "outfront" tonight breaking news, president obama puts the syrian president on notice. the president is reacting to new evidence that assad's regime has started mixing chemicals to make deadly sarin gas, adding to its massive stockpile of chemical weapons. >> and today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said this summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention. so outfront tonight,
. he will say they forced me to extend the tax cuts and now they are coming to me. and boehner offers $800 billion and they brush it aside to say we need $1.6 trillion and we need the rates to go up. go back and do your paper again, mr. boehner. i think again you are getting arrogance and huborous on the part of the president, who has a hand in this, and i think if he goes off that's a bridge too far for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you know, is it a terrible problem we are going through right now, but we look like we can't handle our own business. we can't talk to each other, we can't figure out our own economics, and i can't think what kind of morale authority do we have in the world when we look so pathetic, so pathetic in terms of how we handle things and the fact that we don't? >> the problem with t
. speaker john boehner meets this morning with house republicans who are angry at his new pitch to raise $800 billion in tax revenue in the fiscal cliff negotiations. president obama has said there will be no deal unless taxes are raised on the wealthiest americ americans. but staunch conservatives don't want any kind of new taxes. that's where speaker boehner's job gets really tough. on piers morgan tonight newt gingrich said if all else fails, go over the cliff. >> i think that no deal is better than a bad deal. i think going off this cliff is less dangerous than letting things build up for a year or two years to an even bigger cliff. i think that the president clearly has staked out a position of nonseriousness. and i think that it's very difficult for the house republicans right now to find any practical way to get his attention. so, he just won an election. he is feeling very good about himself. he is posturing brilliantly, putting the republicans in a corner. they need to relax. they don't have an election until november 2014. >> senior congressional correspondent dana bash joins m
asked if it could be 37%, hedged on the question. even john boehner initial why when asked this question hedged a little bit. speaking of republicans, a rising star, senator marco rubio had this response in the weekly gop response to the president. >> we must get the national debt under control. tax increases will not solve our $16 trillion debt. only economic growth and a reform of sbilgsment programs will help control the debt. we must reform our complicated uncertain job killing tax code by getting rid of unjustified loopholes. but our goal should be generating revenue by creating new taxpayers not new taxes. >>> so alex, the question, your initial question, can it get done? the answer is yes. joe biden joked yesterday he could run it up to the hill from the white house in 15 minutes and run it back and have the president sign it. maybe not that quick. but most people believe if the will is there and votes are there it could get done in relatively short order. >> that's the big question. the vice president would only be able to get that to send to the president if the republicans put
me. >> good to be here. >> david so house speaker john boehner says there's no progress to report. the white house says republicans are to blame for dragging their feet. it seems at least publicly we're getting nowhere. is there anything bigger churning behind the scenes? >> alex, i wish i had good news for you. there's not much going on. certainly at the staff level there's still talks going on. the president did have an onization with john boehner. both sides publicly at least are blaming the others for delaying here. i think both sides are said we know what we want to do, which is for the white house raise rates on the rich. but what can they talk about behind the scenes when the republicans are saying we don't want to do that, on the flip side the white house is saying they don't want to do the republican idea of just capping loop holes at least right now. they want to do that next year with a broader tax reform debate. right now there's not a lot to talk about. the president is going on the road again to detroit on monday and continue his public relations campaign on this to
in the negotiations if there were negotiations. president obama and speaker john boehner actually talked to one another. it was on the telephone. it was not the face-to-face meeting the speaker says is necessary, but it was the first time that the two men have spoken in a week. for the latest on these stalled negotiations, we turn to fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry for the report. >> trying to lay blame for stalled budget talks on republicans, president obama today wratcheted up pressure on boehner. >> nobody wants this done more than me. >> for the first time, plan for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff warning business executives, the economy could take another hit if republicans decide to extend just to middle class tax cuts to avoid the cliff for now and come back next year with more leverage to tie spending cuts and medicare reform to another hike in the nation's debt ceiling. >> we're not going to play that game next year. if congress, in any way suggests they tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default again as part of
: house speaker john boehner coming out on top. what was the intra party skirmish all about? we have the answers. a big seat to fill, they call him the king maker. conservative senator jim demint calling it quits who. will step in and what the change will mean for the next congress. if you're looking for an out of this world vacation, yes, you can have it literally, a trip to the moon for two, we are guessing it is all-inclusive, the whole story and the stunning price tag, all "happening now." good morning to you on this friday, the jobs numbers are in for november. i'm jon scott help the. >> reporter: i'm heather wheuld dreshelp the heather childress in nor jenna lee. >> it had more stimulus spending than it had in cuts and an indefinite, infinite increase in the debt limit like forever. four days ago we offered a serious proceed proceeds albased on testimony of president clinton's former chief of staff. since then there's been no counter offer from the white house. instead reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the ed
's absolutely right about that. but we heard early this evening that the president and speaker boehner did speak late today on the phone, so that's good news, but in this case, they need face time. they need to spend real time face to face. even democrats think the president needs to do more in person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who he's prioritizing evenings with his family instead of going down and having a bourbon on the rocks with some of the congressional folks. >> sometimes though, you need to do to bourbon like when the country needs you. bourbon, beer, wine, whatever, after a couple of drinks, the president and boehner could you know, pull a simpson. >> the lasso again, then the horse. the cowboys ride. the cowboys. >> that's the special beer that you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. president obama and john boehner did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. "outfront" tonight, tom mcclintock of the budget committee. thank you for taking the time. we just showed a lot of your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a th
rates are going to have to go up. >> house speaker john boehner appears to be struggling now that the president and democrats are negotiating for a position of power. talking points memo points out republicans are used to getting 70% to 75% of what they ask for in these types of negotiations but now speaker boehner is going on and on about how he's shocked and amazed at president's plan and is refusing to offer a counter plan on the republican side. you want to talk about this or anything else, join us online at current.com/stephaniemiller. we'll see you with more after the break. kind of guys who do like reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all of the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers, thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle-room in the ten commandments, is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. >> what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. brought to you by geico. 15 minutes could s
boehner blasted the white house plan which was put forward last week. boehner says the president essentially wasted the last three weeks since the election with nonsense. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue over ten years, twice as much as he been asking for in public. stimulus spending that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: and boehner says he was flabbergasted when he was given the proposal. >> heather: and democrats are defending themselves? >> treasury-secretary tim geithner on fox news defending the president's plan for raising revenues, cutting spending and reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over the next ten years. he said the ball is in the g.o.p.'s court. >> you have heard them for the first time i think in two decades they are willing to have revenues go up to make a balanced plan but they have to tell you what they want do on rates and revenues. >> he says there is no plan to an agreement unless they acknowledge tax rates have to go up for the wealthiest americans. >> heathe
tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the bottom line is the president and speaker boehner have not spoken now in several days. so there is really no signs of progress. there has been some discussion that look that's just happening in public. behind closed doors maybe they are gaining some ground, i have spoken to some top white house officials tonight some top republicans on the hill they say in private they are not making progress either, shep. >> shepard: republicans say they have offered some compromises. >> they have in the sense that speaker boehner with his policy late yesterday put $100 billion in new tax revenue on the table. that was a concession by him but not far enough as you noted for the white house because the white house wants him to not just raise tax revenue by limiting intuctions and loopholes and the like. they want to see tax rates go up but republic lea
republican front man house speaker john boehner is sending the white house a message that the president's no more mr. nice guy approach is the wrong approach. >> i think they won the election, must have foregotten republicans continue told the majority in house to. but, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> top republicans used words like stalemate and nowhere to go describe the current state of play. others within their party are taking it one step further telling americans they should be prepared for the punch. >> i thank the president and tim geithner for re-energizing the republican caucus. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they made a political calculation. >> with both sides looking like they are dig in but cementing in and the calendar page ticking down what does it take to play let's make a deal. >> let's see how big yours is versus mine in the earnings of their plans. >> everybody should just go to sleep, wake up on december 14th when there's about a wee
speaker of the house john boehner said, let's not kid ourselves there's a stalemate. >> i think we're going to get there. i mean, just inevitably a little bit of political theater. sometimes that's a sign of progress. i think we're making some progress, but we're still some distance apart. what's at stake here is very important. we're trying not just to prevent a tax increase on 98% of americans, we're trying to go beyond that's going to be good for the long term american economy. >> but you said you're getting closer, they're saying you're getting much farther apart. they say that this is not a serious proposal. >> we have a very good plan. we have a very good mix of tax reforms that raise a modest amount of revenues on the wealthy 2% of americans. combined with very comprehensive, very detailed savings that get us back to the point where the debt is stable and favorable. if we can do that carefully, we can invest in things to make america stronger. we can rebuild infrastructure. we think those are good investments in america and we think we can afford them. >> let's look at an ou
cliff, neither boehner nor geithner can say for certain that the country will not go over the edge. i'm shannon bream. america's news headquarters live from the nation's capital starts right now. >> shannon: we want to get to the budget standoff. peter doocy joins us live. there is time to strike a deal but not a lot. >> reporter: that's right. the speaker of the house john boehner made a point today to say there is not much time between election day and the end of the year. he thinks the white house has already wasted weeks because he does not think the proposal to avoid a fiscal cliff is serious one. negotiations here are nowhere. another republican, senator lindsey graham thinks he thinks things are heading down hill. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. the offer doesn't deal with the entitlement reform to save the medicare and medicaid and social security from imminent bankruptcy. it raises $1.6 trillion on job creators to destroy the economy. no spending controls. >> reporter: treasuresy secretary tim geithner advocated for
you to cairo for the latest on that. >>> and president obama and house speaker john boehner are talking again. but that is about the only thing close to progress in efforts to avoid the fiscal cliff. president obama used his weekly address insisting he is ready to make the tough decisions on spending cuts. >> i am willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that is one principle i wouldn't compromise on. >> speaker john boehner has a different view. he says the president needs to abandon what he called his "my way or the highway approach," in his words. if the president does that a lot of things are possible. >>> syrian rebels are battling army units around the capital. activists say 26 people were killed in
boehner said this morning. here it is. >> right now, i would say we're nowhere. peri period. we're nowhere. we have put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up to try to get this question resolved, but the white house has responded with nothing. they have asked for more revenue than they have been asking for the whole time. >> is that a serious offer if it's just talk that they are willing to raise revenues, and if those revenues aren't tax hikes on the top 2% that the president is call iing for? >> it depends on the starleting point versus the end point. for republicans, the issue they are dealing with is they are going to face blame and internal problems no matter what happens. so for them, if they get an offer from the president that they can at least sell as including significant spending cuts or entitlement reform, that when they agree to allow the tax rates go up, they will be grumbling in the party, but there have things we have been asking for and we got that. if way they don't get a deal that looks like that, then they will walk, but they figure that tloost they will h
over. bill: reports that talks are stalled, dead in the water. house speaker john boehner says he's flabbergasted by the white house offer. >> this isn't about democrats and republicans. this business our country. we need to get serious about our deficit and debt that are burying our children's future. [ man ] ring ring... progresso this reduced sodium soup says it mahelp lower cholesterol, how does it work? you just he to eat it as part of your heart healthy diet. step 1. eat the soup. all those veggies and beans, that's what may help lower your cholesterol and -- well that's easy [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. martha: we have brand-new details on the deadly bus crash that happened in florida. police say the bus driver was confused and lost when he chose the wrong route coming out of miami airport. the top of the bus crumpled after the crash and killed two passengers. it had 32 jehovah's church members on board, they were heading to a conference. bill: if you wash watching "fox news sunday" john boehner described his reaction when the president presented
. house speaker john boehner is taking heat from all sides, president obama is ripping him for tax hike refusal on those making $250,000 or more a year and the republicans are criticizing him for not pushing back enough. >> reporter: staving off the conservative rebellion, john jon boehner's proposal to steer clear the fiscal cliff, by closing loopholes in taxes has outraged anti-tax conservatives and when he removed conservatives from the key bathses of the past. >> $800 billion in 10 years that, looks like a tax increase. 238 republicans, including me, took a pledge not to raise taxes. >> they want to send a message to me, to send a message to others that we are not going to tolerate people who are interested in doing what's right, we want to play the same game. if you try to disrupt that, we will knock you off a committee. >> reporter: conservatives were tossed off the house budget committee and others were bounce from the financial services committee. benching conservatives have boehner under fire from conservative group, including the heritage foundation, red state dot-com, freedom
criticized john boehner. john boehner should not be concerned about losing his job. he should be concerned about doing his job. his job is that of the american people. i do not want to get caught up in the sound bites. at least bring some kind of leverage, some kind of balance to this crisis. host: "in new york times" this morning -- guest: what does he have to negotiate? there are three options. you could allow the tax cuts to expire december 31. you can cancel some or all of the tax increases and spending. that would accelerate a dive back into a great recession or depression. in the first quarter, we would have very little difficulty in distinguishing ourselves from the crisis that is in gulf and europe and especially greece. the other thing we could do is come to a midline course of action where you could actually -- what can you minimally due to cut spending? what can you minimally due to have shared sacrifice so everyone is sacrificing something in this game? the other thing we don't talk about -- the interest rates on the deficit have been the lowest in 200 years. if we went back to
to speaker boehner yesterday he is reading reports that the president is trying to slow walk this thing. listen to the speaker. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house has wasted another week. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the rev that the president seeks on the table, but nope of it is going to be possible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. that's not the way to get to an agreement that i think is important for the american people and very important for our economy. >> there you go. so that's what speaker boehner's office is saying. they had a phone call on thursday. but people wondering if they are not even talking at all anymore. >> he said this is no way to an agreement there should be compromise. if you are elected official you should represent all of the united states and you should compromise and hear both sides. >> i think you should go off the fiscal cliff. americans are barreling down the road that's debt. there is a fork in the road. on the left are
boehner did speak late today on the phone. that's good news. but in this case, we think we need facetime. they need to sit down face to face, pound it out, face to face breeds trust. even the democrats think the president needs to do a little more in-person work on this. >> the president is not somebody who -- he's prioritizing spending evenings with his family instead of going down and having a bourbon on the rocks with some of the congressional folks. >> sometimes, though, you need to do the bourbon. like when the country needs you. bourbon, beer, wine, whatever, after a couple drinks the president and boehner could, you know, pull a simpson. >> the lasso again and then the horseback. horse, horse, the cowboys ride, the cowboys ride. >> i mean, what is it? that's the special beer you would drink to get you to dance the gangnam style. if you did the gangnam style, your approval ratings might go up. out front, bob mcclintock, sir, appreciate you taking time. you're still in the capitol. we showed your colleagues going home on a wednesday night after working a three-day week. obviously, t
president obama and house speaker john boehner on just where talks to end the fiscal showdown stand. the president, for his part, took his case to the public and repeated his call for a tax hike on upper income americans but made little mention of cuts to entitlement spending. something the speaker said must be part of any final deal. joining the panel this week, wall street journal columnist and deputy editor dan, and ms. o'grady and washington columnist kim stossel. you are stuck in washington having to talk to all the sources. and you have been working them this week, i know. is the mood as sour as it sounds? >> it is by the end of this week and here's why. republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue, here. you want revenue on the wealthy? we will give it to you. let's do this via limbing tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that, running it, ceiling a deal, has been out campaigning for tax hikes. and to cap it off, sent treasury secretary tim geithner down to congress this week with this absolutely outrageo
designed-- >> schieffer: what gives you reason for optimism. speaker boehner says this is basically a stalemate. >> it's true that we're still a bit apart. and they're going to have to move further, and they're trying to figure out, again, what they do next in this context. again, we've given them a very detailed set of proposals. we're open to suggestions on how to do it differently. if they want to come back and say we'd like you to do this differently, do more of this, they should lay this out for us. >> schieffer: what is it what cannot change in your plan. >> our plan? >> schieffer: yeah. you said you're ready to talk. >> of course we are. president has said over and over from the beginning, again, we've laid out in detail what we think makes the most sense for the american economy today, again, glowft extend the middle class tax cuts but put in place some carefully designed savings to bring downtown long-term deficits and we should do ethics help growth in the short term like rebuilding american infrastructure, helping americans with their mortgages, extend unemployment benefi
that money approved will not be easy. >>let white house sent letters to john boehner and harry reid requesting 60.4 billion saying after hurricane sandy they're funds necessary to finance. and there is impants . in dc money is quiet . speaker boehner said we have the request and we will view it they need to make sure they don't spend too much money they don't should saying it is our responsible to make sure they are giting the most . that i can sure they are times and targeted. governors of new york and jers. asked for it 79.billion and this is well short of governors and senators are thankful for the money and senators say it is it a tough fight in the congress given the fiscal cliff . members are not friendly to disaster relief. but the care has given a good head start. president obama signed an executive ordering the tax force . it will be shared by the secretary of housing and urban. >> and tough words from mike huckabee. when it comes to the bible. american is ignorant. >> news anchors and enterstain tainers who think they understand. they will have weird ideas about what the a
this country stronger. >> right. again, you know where this is going. john boehner, again, speaker, said we're at a stalemate. is that how you would describe where things are? >> i think we're far apart still, but i think we're moving closer together. again, remember -- >> where are you closer? >> the republicans have said for the first time in decades, if i'm not mistaken, the leaders of the republican party, that they are prepared to raise taxes as part of a deal that helps reduce our long term deficit. what they haven't said is how far they're willing to go on rates and revenues, and that's what we need to see from them. >> they said no increased rates. >> but that's -- but they know this. there's not going to be an agreement without rates going up. there's not -- >> you'll go off the fiscal cliff if the republicans say, sorry, no way are we going to raise rates for the -- on the wealthy. you guys are willing to go off -- >> if republicans are not willing to let rates go back up and we think they should go back to the clinton levels, the time when the american economy was doing exception
with the president, house speaker john boehner says the white house is stone walling. >> when it comes to the fiscal cliff that's threatening our economy and threatening jobs, the white house is has wasted another week. >> reporter: this morning in his weekly address, president obama is holding a hard line on raising rates for the wealthy. >> and if we're serious about protecting middle-class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >> reporter: but how much higher could be the key. the top tax rate is set to rise from 35% to 39.6% on january 1st. when asked if a middle ground could be found, both boehner and biden showed some wiggle room. >> the top brackets have to go up. it's not a negotiable issue. theoretically we can negotiate how far up. >> reporter: at another local restaurant, the owner has seen enough of washington gridlock. >> i wish those lawmakers would get their [ bleep ] together and get it done and try to help everybody. it would be good if they could do it before the holidays are over
that make up the difference. bill: john boehner will speak later this hour. we'll see how he responds to that comment. if washington can't get a deep, automatic tax increases and massive spending cuts do take effect. martha: west virginia senator joe manchin, a democrat discussing the fiscal cliff, social security within medicare. he believes they must be run more efficiently. >> last year the office of budget management says $115 billion was misspent. that's a tremendous savings right there. they are both much lower than everyone says we need. all economists say we need a minimum of $4 trillion or greater swing. that means a combining of many things. i think both of them are in the two or not much more than two or lower than two. that only goats you halfway there. i don't know how we got off track of what we really need to fix this. martha: he argues the economy is ready to take off if people would just stop playing the blame game. bill: one of the changes that may be coming is the reduction in the mortgage interest rate duck you can claim. but according to the i.r.s. only a small pe
and house speaker john boehner where talks to end the fiscal showdown ends. the president for his park took his place for the public and called for america and little cuts to entitlement spending something the speaker says must be part of any final deal. wall street journal columnist and dan henninger, and mary an anna-- anastasia o'grady and kim strassel. you've been talking it it sources and is the mood as hour as it sounds. >> it is by the end of this week and here is why, the republicans came out right after the election and said to the president, you want revenue here. you want revenue on the wealthy, we'll give it to you, limiting tax deductions for the wealthy. the president instead of taking that and running with tceiling a deal has been campaigning for tax hikes and to cap it off sent treasury secretary tim geithner to congress with this outrageous proposal as basically a compilation of everything that the president wanted in his budget and beyond what he even campaigned for. as a result i think most republicans wonder how serious he is about doing this. they feel things are going
have been sitting down face to face in a private room with john boehner and/or mitch mcconnell and hammering this thing out. building a relationship, building trust and trying to pull people together he was at a toy factory in pennsylvania. talking about the campaign modes and that's not how you negotiate and resolve these sort of issues. >> we know that barack obama speaks for democrats who speaks for republicans nowf? >> i think john boehner is the closest thing to a republican voice. he holds let's say the key to the lock. he is the most powerful republican in congress. my feeling is boehner wants to work something out. he has got to go home not only to his own constituents but every republicans in america and some in the house who aren't easy to pull along he he imant go to them and given up that tax bracket for the 2% and theying say what did you gte mr. baker? nothing yet. he can't do that with a straight face his own party will crucify him over that. >> over 50% that we fall off? >> i wouldn't have said that two weeks ago today. i think that's probably right and it's unn
know, i saw that plan, that letter that boehner sent me and not going to do it even though it is the first time the republicans went on record saying they are willing to raise revenues. the president said they have to raise the rates. he looked less like monte hall and more like monte burns. itch >> gretchen: he will not hold more meetings or face to face until the republicans agree to increase the tax rates. so what was on the paper yesterday was the idea to still increase revenue without increasing the actual tax rate by getting rid of the deductions and loop holes. that is not acceptable . it au pairs a hard line stance now and the meetings are off. >> brian: they talked about a two-step process. maybe we can leave the tax rates except the horrible people that make a lot of money. leave those tax rates in place and do the hard stuff in the second half . year and of course, we have the, the debt ceiling that has to be raised in a month. if the president gets his way and forces the hand of republicans to accept something they will not forget that and he will have another b
with raising tax rates. but at the end of the day, it only matters what john boehner can get the house republicans to accept. last week the speaker indicated he might be okay with raising rates, he backtracked a few hours later. what's the appetite right now for raising those rates? is that something that's going to be an easier sell for john boehner than a lot of folks think? >> i don't necessarily think so. i think until we see guys like say jason chafitz of utah or tim scott of south carolina start speaking out about the possibility of extending taxes for the middle class and going up, i don't think it can happen, necessarily. you know, and they run the risk potentially of running into a situation like we did in 2008. where a deal is put together on t.a.r.p. back then remember it was voted on, voted down, they had to go back and do it again. that if the speaker is not careful and doesn't keep his caucus in the loop, they could potentially turn around and say no, this isn't what we wanted. you never consulted us, anyway, why would we vote for something like this? a lot of them could
boehner and along with the rest of the leadership has presented an offer to the white house in a letter sent today based off something boles said to the supercommittee last year. you see the offer on the screen. 800 billion through tax reform, 600 billion in health savings, 300 billion in mandatory savings, 300 billion further discretionary savings. it nets to a total of $2.2 trillion in savings. what does it mean? in the letter we know the sticking point is the tax rates. the speaker says, quote, notably the new revenue in the boles plan would not be achieved through higher tax rates, which we continue to oppose and will not agree in order to protect small businesses and our economy. instead new revenue would be generated through pro-growth tax reforms that closes special interest loopholes and deductions while lowering rates. you see in this latest proposal while they offer up pour savings by saying, look, we can tax the rich people through the $800 billion figure. we can find more savings in entitlements reforms and more savings in discretionary spending more so than the budget contr
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